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		<title>Comment on Why is it people think Christians hate Muslims? by Manas Shaikh</title>
		<link>http://lavesusmanos.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/why-is-it-people-think-christians-hate-muslims/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Manas Shaikh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Havn&#039;t heard from you for long time. Is everything okay?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why is it people think Christians hate Muslims? by Manas</title>
		<link>http://lavesusmanos.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/why-is-it-people-think-christians-hate-muslims/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Manas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to understand suicide attacks, read &lt;a href=&quot;http://gess.wordpress.com/2006/12/29/the-strategic-logic-of-suicide-terrorism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

Why do the suicide bombers don&#039;t target politicians?

Good question. It should be difficult to grasp. Because of centuries of conflicts and occupation, we have become so fragmented that we can&#039;t take on the politicians. 

They are heavily guarded. Anyone, who decides to suicide bomb a politician, finds that it is impossible to do. So he bombs those who &#039;he&#039; sees as the politicians&#039;s allies: the civilians. 

Unfortunately he ends up making even those who otherwise have been friend, an enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to understand suicide attacks, read <a href="http://gess.wordpress.com/2006/12/29/the-strategic-logic-of-suicide-terrorism/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
<p>Why do the suicide bombers don&#8217;t target politicians?</p>
<p>Good question. It should be difficult to grasp. Because of centuries of conflicts and occupation, we have become so fragmented that we can&#8217;t take on the politicians. </p>
<p>They are heavily guarded. Anyone, who decides to suicide bomb a politician, finds that it is impossible to do. So he bombs those who &#8216;he&#8217; sees as the politicians&#8217;s allies: the civilians. </p>
<p>Unfortunately he ends up making even those who otherwise have been friend, an enemy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is it people think Christians hate Muslims? by Manas</title>
		<link>http://lavesusmanos.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/why-is-it-people-think-christians-hate-muslims/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Manas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe me, most muslims do not support attack on civilians and the proportion is far more than that in the US. 

The suicide attacks are results of frustration. If the governments of Muslim countries could fight the occupiers, suicide attacks would not have been there. It comes from a sense of helplessness, frustration and the drive to do something. They end up being devil&#039;s food.

We don&#039;t want to kill all infidels. If that was the case, Hindus would not have survived in India. 

By the way, Christians are not infidels. Nor are Jews. We consider you as people of the Book.

Please have a look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wishsubmission.wordpress.com/videos/history/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;history of Al-Andaluz&lt;/a&gt;, and you will know us better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe me, most muslims do not support attack on civilians and the proportion is far more than that in the US. </p>
<p>The suicide attacks are results of frustration. If the governments of Muslim countries could fight the occupiers, suicide attacks would not have been there. It comes from a sense of helplessness, frustration and the drive to do something. They end up being devil&#8217;s food.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want to kill all infidels. If that was the case, Hindus would not have survived in India. </p>
<p>By the way, Christians are not infidels. Nor are Jews. We consider you as people of the Book.</p>
<p>Please have a look at the <a href="http://wishsubmission.wordpress.com/videos/history/" rel="nofollow">history of Al-Andaluz</a>, and you will know us better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is it people think Christians hate Muslims? by Lave Sus Manos</title>
		<link>http://lavesusmanos.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/why-is-it-people-think-christians-hate-muslims/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Lave Sus Manos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Manas, 

I appreciate your comment that you do not see Christians as enemies. Two points in response:

#1.  I do not see Muslims as an enemy, either. But I will assume, then, that when you say &#039;&quot;we&quot; do not see you as an enemy,&#039; you are implying that you are non-militant. 

Reason: My observation of MILITANT Muslims is that they seek to kill infidels (anyone who is non-Muslim). 

If that is not the case, and you see the enemy as being a political one, then why the targeting of innocent people instead of the politicians themselves? 

I refer back to the definition of war - uniformed armed conflict.  Granted, if the &quot;commanders&quot; of such armies are not uniformed, they are still publicly acknowledged commanders and would be considered viable targets in a time of war. 

It is when innocent civilians are directly targeted -- not just collateral casualties as the result of an attack against a genuine military target -- that non-Muslims wonder about the foundation of the Muslim mindset. 

#2 - Regarding political positions, I personally cannot agree enough that the US Government&#039;s actions against innocent people in this world has been an atrocity.  

Examples: 
- President Johnson and the Gulf of Tonkin incident (later proven to be fabricated) to build up the Viet Nam war and enhance the financial wealth of his defense contractor friends. 

- President Bush 41 baiting Saddam Hussein, saying he would not interfere if Iraq started trouble with Kuwait, but then doing a 180 and creating Gulf War I which resulted in tens of thousands / hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths. All in a manipulative effort to keep the price of oil propped up.

- President Clinton&#039;s meddling in mineral-rich Bosnia, built around the paranoia of one single fabricated photograph, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents -- all for someone&#039;s financial gain.

- President Clinton&#039;s cruise missle attack on the Sudan and Afghanistan based on the lie that chemical weapons were being manufactured there -- all as a diversionary tactic to take the press&#039;s attention away from Monica Lewinsky&#039;s testimony.  How many innocents died so he could cover his sorry rear end? 

- President Clinton&#039;s meddling in Kosovo, again based on fabricated evidence, but this time to cover his blunder in the Sudan and Afghanistan. How many innocents died there?

- President Bush 43&#039;s invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein started accepting Euros instead of US dollars for payment of oil. Hundreds of thousands of innocents killed because the leaders of the US Government are trying to prop up the value of the dollar instead of dealing with it honestly and ethically. 

You will get no argument from me that the political leaders in this country have committed unspeakable atrocities against people outside this country.

As a matter of record, they have done the same within this country as well.  Invading the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. Blowing up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Blowing off a bomb at the US Olympics as a diversionary tactic to draw press coverage away from other news they didn&#039;t want covered. 

Innocents have died in this country, too.  The government acting against its own people.  

How this plays out I do not know. The powerful are simply trying to control the masses.  This is what make them feel important.  I will tell you I have very little respect for what they do. 

Additionally, my son is currently in Iraq, serving in the US armed forces. We both have mixed feelings about his work there. He meets Iraqis that sincerely want freedom from oppression, but the political power struggles even among the Iraqis make them nervous to take a stand. 

We both wish that people would just stop trying to kill each other. 

This brings me back to my original question of why some Muslims target innocent civilians.  I think we can agree that the US Government has been flexing its muscles in areas of greed and ego for those at the top, resulting in the deaths of many innocents. 

But for everyday common people --like myself but who happen to be Muslim-- to target innocent civilians in retaliation? Two wrongs do not make a right. 

I can only hope and pray that somewhere in the Muslim community common sense is being sought.... and Militants who seek to target innocents will see that such killing might make them feel better in the short term, but only destroys innocent life while doing nothing to fix the problems they seek to solve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Manas, </p>
<p>I appreciate your comment that you do not see Christians as enemies. Two points in response:</p>
<p>#1.  I do not see Muslims as an enemy, either. But I will assume, then, that when you say &#8216;&#8221;we&#8221; do not see you as an enemy,&#8217; you are implying that you are non-militant. </p>
<p>Reason: My observation of MILITANT Muslims is that they seek to kill infidels (anyone who is non-Muslim). </p>
<p>If that is not the case, and you see the enemy as being a political one, then why the targeting of innocent people instead of the politicians themselves? </p>
<p>I refer back to the definition of war &#8211; uniformed armed conflict.  Granted, if the &#8220;commanders&#8221; of such armies are not uniformed, they are still publicly acknowledged commanders and would be considered viable targets in a time of war. </p>
<p>It is when innocent civilians are directly targeted &#8212; not just collateral casualties as the result of an attack against a genuine military target &#8212; that non-Muslims wonder about the foundation of the Muslim mindset. </p>
<p>#2 &#8211; Regarding political positions, I personally cannot agree enough that the US Government&#8217;s actions against innocent people in this world has been an atrocity.  </p>
<p>Examples:<br />
- President Johnson and the Gulf of Tonkin incident (later proven to be fabricated) to build up the Viet Nam war and enhance the financial wealth of his defense contractor friends. </p>
<p>- President Bush 41 baiting Saddam Hussein, saying he would not interfere if Iraq started trouble with Kuwait, but then doing a 180 and creating Gulf War I which resulted in tens of thousands / hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths. All in a manipulative effort to keep the price of oil propped up.</p>
<p>- President Clinton&#8217;s meddling in mineral-rich Bosnia, built around the paranoia of one single fabricated photograph, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents &#8212; all for someone&#8217;s financial gain.</p>
<p>- President Clinton&#8217;s cruise missle attack on the Sudan and Afghanistan based on the lie that chemical weapons were being manufactured there &#8212; all as a diversionary tactic to take the press&#8217;s attention away from Monica Lewinsky&#8217;s testimony.  How many innocents died so he could cover his sorry rear end? </p>
<p>- President Clinton&#8217;s meddling in Kosovo, again based on fabricated evidence, but this time to cover his blunder in the Sudan and Afghanistan. How many innocents died there?</p>
<p>- President Bush 43&#8217;s invasion of Iraq because Saddam Hussein started accepting Euros instead of US dollars for payment of oil. Hundreds of thousands of innocents killed because the leaders of the US Government are trying to prop up the value of the dollar instead of dealing with it honestly and ethically. </p>
<p>You will get no argument from me that the political leaders in this country have committed unspeakable atrocities against people outside this country.</p>
<p>As a matter of record, they have done the same within this country as well.  Invading the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. Blowing up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Blowing off a bomb at the US Olympics as a diversionary tactic to draw press coverage away from other news they didn&#8217;t want covered. </p>
<p>Innocents have died in this country, too.  The government acting against its own people.  </p>
<p>How this plays out I do not know. The powerful are simply trying to control the masses.  This is what make them feel important.  I will tell you I have very little respect for what they do. </p>
<p>Additionally, my son is currently in Iraq, serving in the US armed forces. We both have mixed feelings about his work there. He meets Iraqis that sincerely want freedom from oppression, but the political power struggles even among the Iraqis make them nervous to take a stand. </p>
<p>We both wish that people would just stop trying to kill each other. </p>
<p>This brings me back to my original question of why some Muslims target innocent civilians.  I think we can agree that the US Government has been flexing its muscles in areas of greed and ego for those at the top, resulting in the deaths of many innocents. </p>
<p>But for everyday common people &#8211;like myself but who happen to be Muslim&#8211; to target innocent civilians in retaliation? Two wrongs do not make a right. </p>
<p>I can only hope and pray that somewhere in the Muslim community common sense is being sought&#8230;. and Militants who seek to target innocents will see that such killing might make them feel better in the short term, but only destroys innocent life while doing nothing to fix the problems they seek to solve.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why is it people think Christians hate Muslims? by Integrationism: the politics of anti-Muslim racism at Congregation of Muslim Bloggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Integrationism: the politics of anti-Muslim racism at Congregation of Muslim Bloggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Why is it people think Christians hate Muslims? by Manas</title>
		<link>http://lavesusmanos.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/why-is-it-people-think-christians-hate-muslims/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Manas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a little problem. We don&#039;t see you as enemy, you Christians. 

We see political enemies, not religious. And the difference is very important to most of us, Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a little problem. We don&#8217;t see you as enemy, you Christians. </p>
<p>We see political enemies, not religious. And the difference is very important to most of us, Muslims.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wash Your Hands of the Global Warming Debate by Lave Sus Manos</title>
		<link>http://lavesusmanos.wordpress.com/2007/03/10/wash-your-hands-of-the-global-warming-debate/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Lave Sus Manos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senior Misfit,

I have no doubt that people with an agenda will hoodwink others under false pretenses. 

That having been said, if you&#039;d like me to put an asterisk next the &quot;Swindle&quot; link in my post with an encouragement to read the links you provide, that&#039;s fine. 

However, the arrogance of &quot;real&quot; scoop from &quot;real&quot; climatologists comment is an insult to the other &quot;real&quot; climatologists who have earned their Ph.D&#039;s fair and square and have studied in the field for decades, and still disagree w/ the hype. They are no less real. 

And I also refer you back to the animation from UC Berkeley, which you did not mention.  If you care to find a climatologist or a geologist who disagrees with the history of continental drift, point me at &#039;em.  But with the Paleomap Project and UC Berkeley&#039;s animation, it&#039;s pretty obvious the earth goes through major changes on a regular basis.  

Just fly over the country in any airplane at 35,000 feet and look down at the rivers.  You&#039;ll see many are currently a fraction of their former magnitude.  I suppose if we compared current river flow to river flow from &quot;back then,&quot; and we&#039;d all be screaming &quot;drought!&quot;   It&#039;s amazing nobody has done that yet, but I&#039;m pretty sure the extremists don&#039;t want to be restricting themselves to 20 gallons a day total water usage (the average person uses over 40). 

As I said in my post, I&#039;ll grant you 2% of climate change to human factors.  Heck - I could even be generous and double it to 4%. But most digital engineers I know won&#039;t put forth the effort to make a change in a technical design if the new design will only net a 4% change. Six percent they&#039;ll start to think about it. But two percent? It&#039;s a total waste of their time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senior Misfit,</p>
<p>I have no doubt that people with an agenda will hoodwink others under false pretenses. </p>
<p>That having been said, if you&#8217;d like me to put an asterisk next the &#8220;Swindle&#8221; link in my post with an encouragement to read the links you provide, that&#8217;s fine. </p>
<p>However, the arrogance of &#8220;real&#8221; scoop from &#8220;real&#8221; climatologists comment is an insult to the other &#8220;real&#8221; climatologists who have earned their Ph.D&#8217;s fair and square and have studied in the field for decades, and still disagree w/ the hype. They are no less real. </p>
<p>And I also refer you back to the animation from UC Berkeley, which you did not mention.  If you care to find a climatologist or a geologist who disagrees with the history of continental drift, point me at &#8216;em.  But with the Paleomap Project and UC Berkeley&#8217;s animation, it&#8217;s pretty obvious the earth goes through major changes on a regular basis.  </p>
<p>Just fly over the country in any airplane at 35,000 feet and look down at the rivers.  You&#8217;ll see many are currently a fraction of their former magnitude.  I suppose if we compared current river flow to river flow from &#8220;back then,&#8221; and we&#8217;d all be screaming &#8220;drought!&#8221;   It&#8217;s amazing nobody has done that yet, but I&#8217;m pretty sure the extremists don&#8217;t want to be restricting themselves to 20 gallons a day total water usage (the average person uses over 40). </p>
<p>As I said in my post, I&#8217;ll grant you 2% of climate change to human factors.  Heck &#8211; I could even be generous and double it to 4%. But most digital engineers I know won&#8217;t put forth the effort to make a change in a technical design if the new design will only net a 4% change. Six percent they&#8217;ll start to think about it. But two percent? It&#8217;s a total waste of their time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wash Your Hands of the Global Warming Debate by Earthbound Misfit</title>
		<link>http://lavesusmanos.wordpress.com/2007/03/10/wash-your-hands-of-the-global-warming-debate/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Earthbound Misfit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Swindle film, try this:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031455,00.html

If you want the real scoop from real climatologists:
http://www.realclimate.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Swindle film, try this:<br />
<a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031455,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031455,00.html</a></p>
<p>If you want the real scoop from real climatologists:<br />
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Wash Your Hands of the Global Warming Debate by Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an url that you can send to friends and family that will direct them to the video &quot;The Great Global Warming Swindle&quot;.

http://gorelied.notlong.com 

For more information on the documentary you can go here.

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an url that you can send to friends and family that will direct them to the video &#8220;The Great Global Warming Swindle&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://gorelied.notlong.com" rel="nofollow">http://gorelied.notlong.com</a> </p>
<p>For more information on the documentary you can go here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html</a></p>
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